Armchair Lakers GM: Kidd or the Kid?
By John Krolik | Fight On or Kiss Off, Los Angeles Lakers, Column
With Sunday night’s Lakers/Nets tilt being a local game instead of a national one, we were spared ad-nauseum updates on what “storylines” made this game worth watching (Vince Carter vs.
Bynum has stepped up his game this year, averaging a double-double, while Kidd has finally started to show his age a little bit, averaging only 11.2 points (three short of his career average) on a catastrophic 36.6% from the floor. (Of course, he’s still averaging 10 assists and eight boards a game, so don’t call the old folks home quite yet.) Meanwhile, with the loss the Lakers dropped to 7-6, and don’t look like they’ll be contending for a title this year. So did Lakers GM Mitch Kupchack make the right move by holding off on giving up his phenom for a future Hall of Famer? Let’s break it down:
Big Question #1: Would Jason Kidd be as effective with the Lakers as he has been with the Nets?
On the surface, getting Jason Kidd would have made the Lakers an immediate contender in the west. He’s still one of the five best point guards in the game, and putting him with
I might be missing someone here, but in my mind, there’s no doubt. (And just think what would have happened if the Lakers had somehow finagled Dwayne Wade away from the heat instead of Caron Butler, which seemed like a possibility at the time, although the Heat knew better than the casual fan just how much potential he had.)
So having the best backcourt of all-time would seem to be a definite plus, right? On the other hand, maybe the reason a point and shooting guard as good as Kidd and
To play effectively with Kidd,
Kidd allowed Carter to get more shots where he wants them- around the basket. In V.C.’s last two years in
It’s all hypothetical, but I actually believe that Jason Kidd would make Kobe Bryant a more efficient and ultimately better player. Additionally, he’d give the Laker offense more balance by involving the rest of his teammates on a nightly basis like
The second main concern with Jason Kidd coming to the Lakers is how he would fit in with Tex Winter’s famous Triangle
offense. Kidd’s a guy who likes to push the ball at every possible opportunity and get in the open court, while Phil Jackson’s teams typically like to get in their set and operate from the half-court. Fortunately for Phil,
Not to worry. While it’s largely gone unnoticed leaguewide, the Lakers have been playing at a quicker pace this year. They’re fourth in the league in points scored per game, and last I checked my ESPN Insider (which tragically expired last week) they were in the top 10 in the league in “pace” factor. This year, the Lakers’ PG platoon consists of Derek Fisher, a classic triangle point, and Jordan Farmar, a push-the-pace guard; The Lakers are 10.2 points better when Farmar’s on the floor, and 2.6 points worse when Fisher’s on the floor. While +/- numbers should always be taken with a large grain of salt, that’s a very positive sign that an up-tempo point can work on the Lakers.
Worries that a pick-and-roll point like Kidd would have trouble operating in the half-court sets of the triangle (Laker points have never had high assist totals in the Phil era) are more legitimate than sweating over the “pace” question, but I think Kidd would work through it for two reasons: He’s big enough to post up other guards and is a confident playmaker from the high-post, which is integral to the triangle (originally known as the “triple-post” offense). More importantly, Phil is one of the best ever (the superlatives are flying today) at adapting his system to the talent he has on his team, and in turn Kidd is smart enough to adapt his game to the system. I think Jason Kidd would be extremely effective in Phil Jackson’s offense.
Big Question #2: Kidd’s a point guard over 30. Shouldn’t point guards over 30 be avoided at all costs, especially ones making max-money?
Generally, yes. More than any other position, point guards rely on their speed to be effective. That tends to be the first thing NBA players lose as they get older, which is why most point guards not named Iverson fall off the table after 30 (Stephon Marbury, Andre Miller, Steve Francis, Speedy Claxton, et al.). However, ESPN.com’s John Hollinger has pointed out that some point guards do in fact age well, if they rely on size, the ability to pass, and the ability to shoot to be successful. Two of three will do, actually. Steve Nash and Chauncey Billups have remained All Stars into their 30s because they possess all three. Kidd isn’t a great shooter by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s built like a linebacker and is behind only Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Oscar Robertson, and Isiah Thomas in assists per game over his career. Fair to say he can pass it a little.
Additionally, he remained effective despite having seriously limited mobility in the two or so years it took for his knee to become completely healthy after microfracture surgery, so I wouldn’t put Kidd’s age as a major concern. As for the max-money, I’m not a cap guru, but it’s a major detriment assuming the Nets wouldn’t absorb some of
Big Question #3: Just How Good is Andrew Bynum?
Since I’ve spent 1,500 or so words exalting Jason Kidd, you’re probably expecting me to call Bynum overrated and get on Kupchack for not making the deal.
Sorry. The thing is that Bynum is good. Really, really good. Good enough to justify passing on Kidd? Yes, Bynum is still a little raw. He only makes 30% of his jumpers (and we’re not talking about a guy who graduated from the Mehmet Okur school of centering), and 50% on “close” shots, which is way below the league average. Basically, if he’s not dunking it, he’s probably not going to make the shot. But he likes to dunk. A full 31% of his attempts are dunks, which is as high as anybody in the league. And the rest of his offensive game could well come around:
Look at the jump/close percentages from Bynum’s first years in the league next to another high school center who dunks as much as Bynum over their first three years in the league:
Bynum: .286/.383, .364/.545, .306/.500
Player X: .287/.432, .263/.452, .280/.520
Player X is Dwight Howard, who might be a top five big man at age 22. Howard has the same kind of offensive game as Bynum, built on getting the ball near the basket and overpowering people, and it seems to be working out for him nicely. Howard has become a dominant scorer this year, and he didn’t even have Kareem helping him out. Howard and Bynum dunk on the same percentage of their shots, and while Howard goes to the line more, Bynum’s better touch from the line evens things out. And believe it or not, Bynum is actually cleaning the glass at at a higher pace than Howard, at least over 48 minutes (Bynum 18.9, Howard 18.3). And at 1.5 blocks per game, Bynum’s defense is starting to come around as well.
As for the “little things” Jason Kidd does that “Make his teammates better?” Well, remember how I said that Farmar’s +/- has been great this year? He’s second on the team. Bynum is first. (Both of them are ahead of
So there are the facts… with a significant amount of bias. Kidd’s a great player, and there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t continue to be a great player with the Lakers. But where Kidd is old, small, and expensive, Bynum is young, cheap, and big. Really big. And still growing (in weight and strength, if not height). Am I saying Bynum is better than Kidd right now? No. Watching the game Sunday night, there was really no doubt who made the larger impact. Even though Kidd was having an off-night in terms of shooting and turnovers, he still made
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Nowadays, people always skip over the historical facts. You ever hear of The Earl the Pearl and Frazier? Besides, Magic and anybody would still be the greatest backcourt ever. With Nixon, it was awesome, with Byron it was awesome. Nixon, 79-80, 82 games, 17.6 per game, .516 FG%,7.8 APG, almost 2 SPG, better tahn 17 PPG, all years with Lakers, from 78-79, 79-80, 80-81, 81-82, with FG% of .542, .516, .476, .493. (What’s Kidd at now 36%? Sorry Kidd’s great, but that is not the greatest.) Nixon played 82 games 3 out of 4 years, 79 the other year. He was so fast, and Magic so dominating, the other teams guards were exhausted by the second quarter. Lakers were blowing teams out by 30 points on a routine basis. If you saw them play, you would know you were seeing the best.
Look up Scott’s numbers in the championship years. Kobe and Kidd would be great, but any hope for a championship, without Odom and Bynum, and no one any good left to trade for, after that trade—that’s a real longshot.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, (in case you couldn’t tell): I totally agree with you Bynum is a keeper, and that would have been a terrible trade. Your analysis was quite good too. Kobe need to learn a thing or two from you reasoning skills.
The only thing I take issue with here is Bynum’s shooting and him being similar to Dwight Howard. If he doesn’t dunk it he misses? Huh? Fuck stats. Anybody who knows basketball can see he’s got a real touch with the ball in the paint. Can he step out? Dunno yet. But in close he’s got touch.
Maybe it’s too small a sample size for the stats correlate to the skill-set he has. He’s on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from Howard as well. I guess they both rely on size to a degree, but Bynum needs to be skilled to be effective. Howard is an absolute maniac and relies on his physical gifts much more than Bynum. For my money he’s the most insanely gifted big (physically) the league has seen in years. I’d say since Shaquille. Bynum is gonna need to be sort of a “classic” big man to be successful. He’s got good hands, length and seems to understand the game early in his career. I think Oden/Bynum is gonna be a marquee matchup in the NBA in 5 years, with both of them vying for the starting center spot on the Western Conference All-Stars.
As far as Kidd goes… the triangle is an excellent spot for aging guards. Playing with this team will be pretty damn desirable in the next few years. He can come and sign with the team then if he wants (when he’s a free agent). The Lakers are right there with the Trailblazers and the Hornets in the West as far as their promise and potential for the next 10 years. It’s not even close to panic time.
I’ve always thought that Kobe’s chances for more rings would come late in his career. If he can muster a bit more patience he can retire a Laker-for-life with a full hand full of hardware. A hall-of-famer wearing one jersey his whole career is very rare in the modern game, it’d be killer if Kobe pulled it.
I agree with you there, Sharky-it’s clear Bynum has great hands and a soft touch down low, the point of the Howard comparison was that Howard’s developed a way to score around the basket, and I expect Bynum to do the same. And while I don’t think Clyde/Pearl would be a better back-court than Kidd-Kobe, as Bryant is much better than either of those two players and Kidd is a Hall of Famer, there’s an argument for Magic-Nixon, as Magic is one of the few backcourt players who could objectively be considered as good or better than Kobe. If it was Kidd in his prime, there’d be no question-he had an all-NBA 1st team streak going, and damn near won an MVP over Tim Duncan, which Nixon never came close to. At this stage in Kidd’s career, it’s a toss-up; he’s definitely not who he used to be, but he’s still playing great defense, grabbing 7 boards a game, and is 2nd in the league in assists, not to mention a team leader. And I’d expect that FG% to come up fairly soon.
And of course, the morning after I sent this out, TrueHoop came out with the story that Andrew Bynum completely blew his assignment on the last play of the game. Great.
Yeah… it’s hard for younger guys like us to put dudes like Frazier/Monroe (Monroe was also nicknamed “The Black Jesus” - I love Wikipedia) into the equation. Totally agree about Magic though. He was an all-around dude that made his players better and could pretty legitimately play 5 positions. That just puts him in another league altogether. The only guy even close is LBJ who seems hellbent on being less like Magic and more like Mike.
These kinda comparisons are fun but obviously meaningless, really. They take me back to my grade-school/teenage days on the playground of arguing Magic/MJ - Montana/Marino - Coke/Pepsi (Coke natch).
There is one old-timer that people don’t seem to mention any more - unless it is in a Kareem interview. Oscar Robertson. Oscar in his prime could give Magic in his prime a run for his money. He was that dominant. His problem was that he played in the time of the ‘60 Celtics and Wilt Chamberlain.
Craig- I’d be curious to really know who Kareem thought was better between those two (he’d be the best guy to ask, right?). He never really got on with Magic it seems, so I wonder if he could be objective.
I might be reaching a little, but I see Kobe’s greater emphasis on working within the team on the offensive end as a invitation for other talented players to join the Lakers. I wouldn’t underestimate an NBA player’s to feel like he is getting his due, which naturally would be hard on the current Lakers with the Kobe of the past few seasons.
Could someone delete that above comment. I brainfarted and posted a reply from a forum on here on accident.
Bynum is headed in the right direction, and Kobe has been taking notice. His up swing is still huge and his work ethic is going to allow him to reach his potential as a player, which could make him not just a good player in the NBA, but possibly a great in the NBA. As exciting as it would to see Kidd with Kobe, I believe it would be 1 good year and still falling short of a championship. Kobe, Bynum and Odom has the making of a great nucleus and throw in Farmar and Critt, who knows!But it will be something that will for all long time.